Being a Star Wars fan is easy. I think the only prerequisite is that you need to have at least seen the movies and then be willing to call yourself a fan. That's it. That being said, however, not all Star Wars fans are created equal. Let's face it, that one person you know who can't remember which movie has the "Aluminum Falcon" probably isn't much of a Star Wars fan. This article series is meant to help any Star Wars fan not just improve their nerd cred, but also take their love of the universe to the next level.
For this first article, I want to talk about something that many Star Wars nerds know and love: The Expanded Universe (or EU). The Expanded Universe (now largely defunct) refers to the plethora of books, video games and other material that covers the Star Wars universe outside of the scope of the movies. I mean, the Star Wars six-movie epic only covers the span of two generations, not even half a century. But as the title credits imply, the story of Star Wars takes place eons ago. So naturally the question becomes, if Star Wars happened so long ago, what's happening in that universe now? Even the simple question of "What happened after the Emperor died?" can't be answered by the Star Wars movies (yet). Indeed, the movies movies actually create an almost infinite number of unanswerable questions. And that's where the Expanded Universe came in.
And I say "came" in the past tense, as most of the old Expanded Universe is now defunct and unofficial. And it's not hard to see why. For starters, here is a link to a Wookiepedia (the Star Wars wiki) page showing just how many books were written to "fill in the blanks," for what happened before and after the movies. As you can see, the list is incredibly long. It was so extensive, in fact, that a book was written specifically detailing the order and general summary of each book. And that doesn't even include the many spin-off movies and video games produced that added to the lore and mythology of Star Wars.
The point is this, The Expanded Universe, much like any fictional universe that's been around for more than a decade, became increasingly convoluted. When Disney came on the scene and wrested control from George Lucas, they took one look at the Expanded Universe and decided it was time for a fresh start. Out with the old, in with the new. For the sake of telling a new story they needed a clean slate and with one fell-swoop, the Expanded Universe was gone.
Of course, many fanboys and girls were devastated. Their favorite part of Star Wars was no longer canon (read: official). I myself shed a man-tear as I realized that many of my favorite stories were erased from Star Wars history forever. The old Expanded Universe is still available to purchase and read but is now known as "Star Wars Legends."
The only official Star Wars cannon at this point is (essentially) the six movies and the recently released Clone Wars/Rebels animated series (there are some outliers that survived of course, but that's the bulk of it).
So, you might be wondering, what does this have to do with being a better Star Wars fan? A lot actually. If you are to appreciate the Star Wars that we have, you need to understand the Star Wars that we lost. If you aren't very familiar with the EU, take some time and get to know it. If nothing else, read a few articles on Wookiepedia and learn something new about some of your favorite characters. Be warned however, once you start reading it can be difficult to stop!
The Expanded Universe was never Official Star Wars canon at any point in time whatsoever. Disney did not 'decanonize' anything. You can't decanonize something that was never canon in the first place. This misconception about the EU being canon is common, but nonetheless untrue. George Lucas always said, the EU was a separate parallel Star Wars Universe and that's where the EU took place. It isn't only him, everyone who worked in Star Wars knew that is how Lucas felt on the matter.
ReplyDeletePeople simply don't know the background on it, and to be fair, why would they? People really aren't interested in quotes from these people and without knowing those there's no way to know these things.
The following is just a sample of some these quotes from multiple persons of note involved into Star Wars.
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Lucas said of the Expanded Universe:
"I don't read that stuff. I haven't read any of the novels. I don't know anything about that world. That's a different world than my world....When I said [other people] could make their own Star Wars stories, we decided that, like Star Trek, we would have two universes: My universe and then this other one.
*“There are two worlds here,” explained Lucas. “There’s my world, which is the movies, and there’s this other world that has been created, which I say is the parallel universe – the licensing world of the books, games and comic books." ~ 2005
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"And now there have been novels about the events after Episode VI, which isn't at all what I would have done with it. The Star Wars story is really the tragedy of Darth Vader. That is the story. Once Vader dies, he doesn't come back to life, the Emperor doesn't get cloned and Luke doesn't get married..."
- George Lucas, Flannelled One, May 2008
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”The novels and comic books are other authors' interpretations of my creation. Sometimes, I tell them what they can and cant do, but I just don't have the time to read them all. **They're not my vision of what Star Wars is.”**
- George Lucas 2004
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"I like to refer to the Interview with Lucas in the Special Editions.When asked about the novels and whatnot, he simply says:
”Those are another author's interpretation of what I've created, and not to be taken seriously, as far as what is really going on in the Star Wars world.”
~ George Lucas
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"Q: What do you think of the Expanded Universe of books?
A: "The books are in a different universe. I've not read any of them, and I told them when they started writing I wouldn't read any of them and I blocked out certain periods [they couldn't touch where the real story happens]."
- George Lucas 2003
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"Q: Do you supervise the development of all the off-movie stories? After all, Star Wars exists in books, comics.
A: "You know, I try not to think about that. I have my own world in movies and I follow it."
~ George Lucas, Flannelled One, July 2002
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"Howard Roffman [President of Lucas Licensing], He once said to me that there are two Star Trek universes: there's the TV show and then there's all the spin-offs. He said that these were completely different and didn't have anything to do with each other. So I said, "OK, go ahead."
- George Lucas 2008
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"I don't even read the offshoot books that come out based on Star Wars."
- George Lucas, Flannelled One, 1999
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The Following are quotes from the Lucasfilm announcement from when Disney purchased and gained control of Star Wars. This is what people site when they say Disney 'decanonized' the EU.
ReplyDeleteI'm including the link to the full announcement. Nothing else in the announcement mitigates the quotes I'm siting.
They never say they are decanonzing anything at all. In fact, it actually points out that Lucas did not consider the EU canon and HE set THE CANON as The 6 movies and the Clone Wars series. His direct works. The same things Lucasfilm says all other takes must align and the same things that everyone else quotes as being the only things Lucas considered canon. There was his Universe [The movies and the Clone Wars series - the Canon] and the Parallel Star Wars Universe which is where the EU took place seperately and distinctly from his Universe.
Please not that Lucas always did reserve the right to take anything he liked from the EU and bring it into canon and he did do that on occassion, but it was never anything big, no storylines, no major characters, very unobtrusive things like the name for a planet or some background unknown character,a race, a vehicle etc.
Lucas wanted to make things himself, it was his art, his story, his creation, that's why he never used anything of note from the EU.
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"While Lucasfilm always strived to keep the stories created for the EU consistent with our film and television content as well as internally consistent, Lucas always made it clear that he was not beholden to the EU. He set the films he created as the canon. This includes the six Star Wars episodes, and the many hours of content he developed and produced in Star Wars: The Clone Wars. These stories are the immovable objects of Star Wars history, the characters and events to which all other tales must align."
The following is the quote people say "decanonized the EU. You never even see the word canon in the entire announcement other than the previous quote about George Lucas and once more referring to the 'New Canon' that Disney would create in the future.
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"In order to give maximum creative freedom to the filmmakers and also preserve an element of surprise and discovery for the audience, Star Wars Episodes VII-IX will not tell the same story told in the post-Return of the Jedi Expanded Universe. While the universe that readers knew is changing, it is not being discarded. Creators of new Star Wars entertainment have full access to the rich content of the Expanded Universe. For example, elements of the EU are included in Star Wars Rebels. The Inquisitor, the Imperial Security Bureau, and Sienar Fleet Systems are story elements in the new animated series, and all these ideas find their origins in roleplaying game material published in the 1980s.
Demand for past tales of the Expanded Universe will keep them in print, presented under the new Legends banner."
https://www.businessinsider.com/disney-star-wars-expanded-universe-2014-4
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Someone paraphrasing something using poor wording or intentional misleading phrases and this is what happens.
Not one word about decanonizing anything.
The proper terminology would be discontinuing.
“Lucas’ canon – and when I say ‘his canon’, I’m talking about what he was doing in the films and what he wasdoing in The Clone Wars – was hugely important. But what we were doing in the books really wasn’t on his radar.”
ReplyDelete–Leland Chee [Lucasfilm Story Group], 2018
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“We’ve got more content [now] then I ever thought we’d have. Before we had a Story Group, what George did with the films and The Clone Wars was pretty much his universe,” Chee said. “He didn’t really have that much concern for what we were doing in the books and games. So the Expanded Universe was very much separate."
Leland Chee [Lucasfilm Story Group], 2017 - SYFY WIRE
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"The terminology of "Expanded Universe" was a careful one; it expanded on the world created in the core stories, but was never officially meant to be Star Wars canon, according to the Maker himself, George Lucas."
~ Dave Filoni 2017
[Lucas' protege for 8 years, they are like Father and son and are still in touch. they worked on the Clone Wars series together. He is also the guy doing The Mandolorian with John Fav.Lucas visted the Mandolorian set.]
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"George knows more about Star Wars than we do. He doesn't see the Expanded Universe as ”his” Star Wars, but as ”ours.” I think this has been mentioned previously, maybe in other places, but it's not new info, as far as I remember."
- Sue Rostoni, Lucas Licensing (LLP Managing Editor), Jun 2004
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“For me and my training here at Lucasfilm, working with George, he and I always thought the Expanded Universe was just that. It was an expanded universe. Basically it’s stories that are really fun and really exciting, **but they’re a view on Star Wars, not necessarily canon to him.That was the way it was from the day I walked into Lucasfilm with him all through Clone Wars, everything we worked on, he felt the Clone Wars series and his movies were what was actually the reality of it all, the canon..."
~ Dave Filoni 2016
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Sue R of Lucas Licensing confirmed this.
"He [Lucas] also said that when they started doing all this (which is allowing other storytellers to tell their own SW tales), he had decreed that the Star Wars Universe would be split into two just like Star Trek (I don't know nuts about Star Trek, so don't ask me about that), one would be his own universe (the six episode movie saga), the other would be a whole other universe (the Expanded Universe). He continued to say that the EU tries as much as possible to tie in to his own universe, but sometimes they move into a whole other line of their own."
- Sue Rostoni,LLP 2005
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Pablo Hidalgo on Lucas and the EU being separate Universes.
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"He [Lucas] only considers his movies and TV projects as his universe, and told the Clone Wars writers to only worry about those."
-Pablo Hidalgo [Lucasfilm Story Group]
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“The most definitive canon of the Star Wars universe is encompassed by the feature films and television productions in which George Lucas is directly involved.* The movies and the Clone Wars television series are what he and his handpicked writers reference when adding cinematic adventures to the Star Wars oeuvre. But Lucas allows for an Expanded Universe that exists parallel to the one he directly oversees. […] Though these [Expanded Universe] stories may get his stamp of approval, they don’t enter his canon unless they are depicted cinematically in one of his projects.”
-Pablo Hidalgo, Star Wars: The Essential Reader’s Companion, 2012
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"From Issue 77 Of Star Wars Insider, Using Dark Empire & The Thrawn Trilogy As Examples.
ReplyDelete"Those works are the creation of their respective authors with the guidance of editors at Lucas Licensing. They are not, nor ever were, meant to be George Lucas' definitive vision of what happens next"
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"That’s one of the biggest debates in Star Wars, what counts? The idea of what is canon? When I talk to George I know that he considers his movies, this series and his live-action series canon."
- Dave Filoni, SW:TCW 2008
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"This is Star Wars, and I don't make a distinction between [The Clone Wars] series and the films."
~ George Lucas, SciFiNow, October 2011
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The following are some quotes from Expanded Universe Authors themselves recognizing that the EU wasn't canon.
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“Those of us writing the EU were always told, all along, from the very beginning* (have I stressed that strongly enough?), *“Only the Movies are Canon.” Sure, it was disappointing.”
~ Kathy Tyers, EU author [Truce at Bakura]
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"They’re there to be enjoyed as unofficial Legends. But, as Zahn also points out, the Expanded Universe wasn’t really ever official regardless of what the fans thought."
~ Timothy Zahn 2017
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That means Zahn’s books won’t be directly adapted, but the author says that was always the case: “The books were always just the books.”
“It could be an entirely new storyline, but if he picks and chooses bits and pieces from the expanded universe, we’d all be thrilled to death.”
~ Timothy Zahn 2016
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"Once I heard that George Lucas was asked to comment on the many interpretations of Star Wars in book, comic, record, radio and TV spin-offs that grew from his original creation. 'The films are gospel,' he said, 'all the rest are gossip.' I like that."
- Andy Mangels, EU Author, Dec. 1995
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"In the canon debate, it is important to notice that LucasFilm and Lucas are different entities. The only canon source of Star Wars are the radio plays, the movie novels and the movies themselves - in Lucas' mind, nothing else exists, and no authorized LucasFilm novel will restrict his creativity in any way.""
Steven Sansweet, EU Author - Director of Content Management and head of Fan Relations at Lucasfilm Ltd.
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PJ: "It's not something we can really worry about, so we don't. Lots of people have been working on lots of SW extrapolations for the last twenty years, in good faith. There were never any promises from George Lucas or Lucasfilm regarding the acceptance of their work into some wider canon."
- Peet Janes, Dark Horse Comics Editor, Dec. 1998 - "Horsing Around" interview at EchoStation.com
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"[Steven Sansweet] was asked specifically if any of the characters like Admiral Thrawn and so on would make appearances in AoTC or the movie thereafter, and *he responded quite clearly that that all the EU material is ”taking place in a separate universe”.* [...] there were quite a few nasty mumbles from the audience when he (Sansweet) said what he said."
Steven Sansweet, EU Author - Director of Content Management and head of Fan Relations at Lucasfilm
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Last Part -
ReplyDelete"It is unfortunate that [EU author Karen Traviss is] moving on because [of] her opinion that canon is being changed. I guess the big problem is the assumption that her work is canon in the first place. After working with George on The Clone Wars series I know there are elements of her work that are not in line with his vision of Star Wars.."
- Henry Gilroy, SW:TCW Head Write 2009
[This was in response to the following quote from Karen Traviss]
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"Please also be aware of one basic fact - all writers for a franchise have to follow official canon. You can't go off and do your own thing, or else the book won't get approved and printed. It's that simple. So please don't keep asking me to carry on in the old canon, because I'm just not allowed to."
Karen Traviss EU Author 2009
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Dark Empire Introduction - Kevin J. Anderson -
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/2tg9rk/excerpt_from_kevin_jandersons_intro_to_the_dark/
"When you read Dark Empire, or any of the other novels [EU] remember that although Lucasfilm has approved them, these are our sequels, not George Lucas's."
"If Lucasfilm ever makes films that take place after Return of the Jedi, they will be George Lucas's own creations, probably with no connect to anything we have written."
But in the meantime, enjoy these graphic stories, read the novels of Timothy Zahn, Kathy Tyers, Kenneth Flynt, Dave Wolverton, and myself.[Kevin J. Anderson]""
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These are only a sample. There are a great deal many more quotes than this.
Feel free to verify the quotes for yourself, I certainly do myself.
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